Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Wolves and Sheep

If I point to something I believe demonstrates that morality is basically common to mankind, no matter what it is, you'll say it was "evolved." Yet you point out that male lions, when they take over a pride, kill the offspring of the previous male in charge, and that this too, somehow, proves morality (albeit lion "morality") evolved. "Evolutiondidit," you might say? :-)

Yes, I would. Lions evolved to be lions! Their social situation is different from our, and their "morality" is different. We evolved as roaming bands of apes with males and females having a considerable degree of equality. We see similar morality in species that have the same social organisation.

Could you give me a good example of a type of morality would look like that wasn't "evolved" morality, but indicated that there was such a thing as "objective morality?"

Yes. If there was some general "be nice to each other" behaviour between species, that was beyond what would be reasonable for survival. If wolves went vegetarian to stop eating sheep, for example. Because we are pretty sure that wolves don't rationalise behaviour much if at all, this would be pretty convincing.

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